《上台阶er》は、職業と生活が交錯することを探求するポッドキャストで、各業界のゲストを招いて職場のストーリーを共有し、リスナーが仕事と人生の関係を再考する手助けをします。
14.「声东击西」徐涛：工作不要排太满，人生需要松弛感
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